RPK, Teresa Kok & Sin Chew journalist arrested under ISA!!! More to come??

yeye ,im first.

what i can say , first i saw this news on tv ,
im while laughing tell to my parents :
"Government add more collection into their museum ISA" , lol .

I,m already doing this for my children. Hopelly all will be well. Soon the Government will need to get a huge place for the ISA detainees. What can I say "IT'S A CRIME TO SPEAK THE TRUTH IN MALAYSIA". This is Malaysia in it's true colurs. This ISA thing is going to create many terrorists in the future? Don't you think so.

@Townguy: Yes, and they are pretty proud of their achievement too.

@Mithiri: Yes if ISA is never abolished, it is only going to get worse for Malaysia. Once my friend was telling me that Malaysia is on course to becoming the next Indonesia, then Sri Lanka, and lastly Zimbabwe.

If you think about it, its possible. Indonesia has almost unlimited natural resources, but its citizens are going overseas to work. Sri Lanka.. well I don't have to tell you about its marginalised community, and hey presto we fit the bill don't we?? Zimbabwe.. stripped of all human rights, abuse of political power, corruption etc etc..

"On the road to Awe".

Sincerely I really do not understand why we should even think about leaving this country ? I have travelled to few other countries and Malaysia is alot better than them. Do you think the government is putting everyone in jail / ISA. I do not disagree to the fact that the three recent cases were unfair and unjust, but then that is the consequence for some of our actions. Yes, there are discriminations, violation of human rights etc., but where isn't ? To me, Malaysia is the only place other than India where Indians have the freedom to study in your own mother tongue or have temples almost everywhere. I am really disgusted when you compare us with countries like Sri lanka, Indonesia or Zimbabwe. Do you think there is no corruption in US, Australia, Britain ? From my little experience, I believe corruption in South Korea or even Japan is far worst than us.

Murthi,

"Do you think the government is putting everyone in jail / ISA."

My reply: Not yet. If today they can jail 3 innocent people, there will be a time when they can arrest anyone they don't like under ISA.

"...but then that is the consequence for some of our actions."

My reply: HUH??? How so?? What do you mean by consequence of our actions?? Alright lets review the 3 arrests and see how those arrests are consequences of our actions ok.

1) Sin Chew journalist - She reported word by word by Ahmad Ismail uttered. Consequence of our actions? Wait a minute, wasn't it Ahmad Ismail who uttered those racist words??

2) Teresa Kok - She was alleged to have instructed some mosques to lower down their volume during the morning prayers. The mosques have come out supporting her saying that she didn't do so. It turned out that Khir Toyo's son was responsible for creating an online petition stating that there is a certain DAP MP lady with glasses who is demanding the mosques to lower down the volume. Now pray and tell me, how is these consequences of our own actions??

3) RPK - He was allaged to have insulted Islam and the Prophet. Let me ask you, have you read his articles?? If not go and read his articles and please tell me if you come across any lines which insult Islam and Prophet. Ok for the benefit of your doubt, lets assume that he did insult Islam and the Prophet, why has he been ISA'ed and not charged in the courts? If he was found guilty then give him maximum punishment. Again, consequences of whose actions I ask??

"Yes, there are discriminations, violation of human rights etc., but where isn't ?"

Where isn't?? Not many countries abuse human rights. If we are even thinking of achieving developed status country, we shouldn't be abusing human rights should we?? Pray and tell me, since you have visited a few countries, which of those countries have a law similar to ISA and also abuses human rights like in Malaysia?

"..Indians have the freedom to study in your own mother tongue or have temples almost everywhere."
Freedom to study?? How so?? Are you saying that because we have Tamil schools, never mind their condition, we have the freedom to study?? So why is there a rule for national schools that if you want to learn Tamil/Chinese in a national school, you need to have at least 15 students *wanting* to learn and its that parents responsibility to find a language teacher and not the schools/ministry's? And have temples everywhere?? So why are they demolishing them then, at least why are they demolishing the legal ones??

Yes I am comparing to Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Zimbabwe because we are on course to becoming like them, in the order I have listed. In fact we are already portraying the traits of Sri Lanka, albeit the violence.

"..no corruption in US, Australia, Britain"

Corruption maybe, but certainly not abuse of human rights. And in those countries, the public has a stronger voice than the government, which means once someone from the government is acquitted of corruption the public removes them. In Malaysia, its the other way around. The government periodically shows who is in power. In a democratic country, the public is the boss, and the government is the servant.

"..From my little experience, I believe corruption in South Korea or even Japan is far worst than us."

Prove this.

"Do you think the government is putting everyone in jail / ISA."

Arrest under ISA has been going on for many years. It is not only the 3 person.

"...but then that is the consequence for some of our actions."

I have read the article many times, even just before writing this. When I wrote the above sentence, I didn't mean to say what RPK wrote was wrong. But then again do you think the morons agree to what he has written. I have personally spoken to many Malays who are my friends on religion but since it is sensitive, finally we came to conclusion you don't comment my religion and vice versa. My experience, no matter how educated some of them are but most of the time when comes to Islam, they are blind. Hence, the consequence..

Teresa Kok also same, I will never say she was wrong even if she had called for the petition. Even the mosque has denied it.

I do not know how else to put it, all I want to say is we have to be careful with our choice of words in public or else the consequence (no matter how right you can be)

"Yes, there are discriminations, violation of human rights etc., but where isn't ?"

Do you think Us, Britain or the Western Countries don't violate human rights. Then, how do you describe their action on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. They are violating human rights everywhere except maybe their own country (I do not know, no experience). What is Guantanamo Bay Prison ?

"..Indians have the freedom to study in your own mother tongue or have temples almost everywhere."

Do you have Tamil schools in Australia ? What do you do if you want your kids to learn Tamil ? US has more Indians than Malaysia, how many temples they have ? At least here in Malaysia we have the choice and my opinion we also have to contribute. There are also many Tamil schools in good or OK condition. Even in national type schools, to improve further they also go for fund raising campaigns. What is wrong in contributing to that effect. Demolishing of temples, I still believe the major fault is with MIC. What were they doing ? Maybe bribed ? My place, we even have a new temple (completed 3 months ago) in a good location. How was that possible ? And it is in mixed development (all 3 races)

If you compare to Sri Lanka, I do not know what to say ? LTTE is a terrorist group, do you want Malaysian Indians to be like that ? Who do you think will be the losers ? Who are at the receiving end, anyway in Sri Lanka ?

"..no corruption in US, Australia, Britain"

The public is stronger in these countries because of strong opposition in Parliament. Anyway who gave the more than 90% mandate to BN in 2004 election ? That was the problem. Why did Indians blindly voted for the government all the while ? So my believe, strong opposition will lead to better governance.

"..From my little experience, I believe corruption in South Korea or even Japan is far worst than us."

I have said from my little experience. I had previously dealings with them (some companies)and I had to quit due to my principles.

There are many things the government doing is wrong, but again with my little knowledge about other countries, I still believe Malaysia is far better place to live than many other countries. We need to have strong opposition in parliament to have a check and balance. I hope even if PR manage to form the government and manages the country well until the next election, they do not win by landslide margin in the next election. That will be disaster.

I will not change my statement anyway.

While I would not leave this country of mine , if this continues , I would not think twice to send my children overseas in the future.

I'm still waiting for a better tmrw. But as long as UMNO is in control, there remains little hope .

P.S. : Bro, the url wrong -ragedindian.com.Hehe.

@Murthi:

"Arrest under ISA has been going on for many years. It is not only the 3 person."
The fact that it has been going for many years doesn't justify ISA's use. In fact, it is an evidence to human abuse "for many years".

"But then again do you think the morons agree to what he has written"
That's the problem. Do you think just because some people don't agree we should stop voicing out? Just because some people don't agree with what RPK has written doesn't mean he can be ISA'ed? Just because some educated Malays are shallow on teachings of Islam, does that mean I can't engage in a conversation on Islam with them? Or will I be ISA'ed to? This is a blatant abuse of freedom of expression.

"Then, how do you describe their action on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc."
I agree that is abuse of human rights alright. I am not denying that. But one is abuse of human rights in a country which is not in war, and the other is in countries which are in war. Again, I am not denying both are evidences of human right abuse, but they are in a different context altogether. In fact, we should be aiming for a world free of human abuse, regardless of the circumstances.

"Do you have Tamil schools in Australia ?"
http://www.etatamilschool.org/shtml/index.shtml

What has raising funds in schools have to do with freedom to learn mother tongue? But on another note, national schools are funded by Ministry of Education, so could you please tell me why we should contribute? Aren't we contributing by means of taxes, of which they use the money to upgrade schools? What's the point of having a government, whose responsibility is the public in the first place, if we have to "contribute" to sustain the schools ourselves??

"LTTE is a terrorist group, do you want Malaysian Indians to be like that"
I am not saying I want Malaysian Indians to be like LTTE, all I am saying is that looking at the discrimination against Indians in Malaysia and comparing it to Sri Lanka of 60's and 70's, one can spot the many similarities.

"The public is stronger in these countries because of strong opposition in Parliament"
Bro, if a opposition is strong, then automatically the public would have voted them in. The public is at highest peak of maturity when there exists *equally* strong parties. The public then chooses the party which best addresses the economic concerns and other factors. And also, if one party is stronger than the other, then it would result in a perpetual rule, much like BN's 51 years rule. We don't want PR to rule that long do we? Again, Malaysians (not only Indians) should keep both ruling and opposition parties on their toes at all times, constantly reminding them that their performance this term will determine their their rule next term.

@Durai: What statement bro?? URL changed, my bad. ;)

Naga,

When I wrote my first comment, what I meant to say is all the points that was raised e.g corruption, human rights violation happens everywhere not only in Malaysia. I did not say we should not voice our concerns. What I am against is "running away" from the country as you have suggested. People like RPK should be saluted, even though he has been anticipating the arrest, he did not RUN AWAY but he continued with his struggle

While you were suggesting this : "I may sound unpatriotic here, but this is what I have to say: Study hard, save some money and get a diploma/degree in some uni/college and head to some other country. Yes I mean it. Patrotism aside, think about your future and your family’s. But once you’re abroad, help the rest who are still in Malaysia. This is all I have to say."

How are you going to help by being abroad. By being another LTTE ? Instill hatred among the people and then funding them to rebel against the government. This is how it is happening in Sri Lanka. Do you think Prabhakaran is in Sri Lanka fighting along the common man ?

We need to voice our concern and at the same time do not hurt other's feelings. That's why we need strong opposition for them to convey the message and to have check and balance on policies affecting the population.

What has raising funds in schools have to do with freedom to learn mother tongue?
You have been arguing about the poor state of Tamil schools. May I know how many Tamil schools are in deplorable conditions ? Many Tamil schools which I know are in good condition. To me the poor state of Tamil schools are not only because of the government but also because of the people who manages it such as headmasters, PTA chairman, politicians (Indians) etc. I am not saying the government is doing a good job but problems are created by others too. And what is the problem in we funding a small part of the expenses ? Yes, the government is responsible for the schools and that's why there are National type schools. Why do we need to insist on our mother tongue ? Do you have those type of schools in the developed countries. e.g. in US there are many nationalities But everyone studies and speaks in English. Even the link you have proval ided, the schools are privately funded and granted a small financial support by the Federal Government in 1982 and by the Victorian State Government in 1983.

Yeah, you said about paying taxes, but how many people really paying proper taxes especially those who are self employed ?